Monday, February 11, 2019

Garm-spiration

A look into how the sausage is made, with Shmitty and Biggs:





shmitty

@Biggs Biggs what does you Garm-Holes fleet look like?

Biggs

Stand by, let me look it up.

shmitty

:thumbup::skin-tone-1:

Biggs

It's basically 3+2, but with Garm.

shmitty

I need some Gamr-spiration
Gotcha

Biggs

Jan Ors YT-1300x2 Corran Horn Ten Numb Dutch Vander Norra Wrexley Gold Squadron
For 131 points of fighters.
Flagship: Hammerhead Torp - Garm - Hondo - External Racks
GR-75 w/ Leia
GR-75 w/ Toryn, BCC, Bright Hope
(In the future, I'd move BCC onto Leia's)

shmitty

Right

Biggs

Nebulon B Escort w/ Yavaris, Ahsoka
Pelta Command w/ Fighter Coordination Team, AFFM!, Adar Tallon, Boosted Comms
I think it comes to 399?

shmitty

Thanks

Biggs

I doubled up on AFFM! and FCT because I wanted to see which one I wound up needing the most, and I needed BOTH.
Tons of movement shenanigans.
You can basically AFFM! every turn, which is kinda overkill.
Command should be spamming AFFM on turn 2, and burning a Squadron command from turn 2 onward to at least get Talon off on something.
Yavaris navigates turn 2, because you can "fix" it with Leia.
Or leave it if needed.
Or do it the other way.
Flexibility.

shmitty

My Squadron play is pretty weak

Biggs

Well, you've got all the tools to put those squadrons right where you want them.

shmitty

Right

Biggs

Gold / Norra really want to hit ships, and only ships.
Ten / Dutch can do double duty.
Jan can sorta do both, but mostly wants to not get into trouble.
And Corran is an anti-squadron monster.

shmitty

I may go a little lighter on squads and a little shootier
But something like that seems fun

Biggs

At the very least you want to be hitting him early with the Pelta so he can go nuts on things from Range 2.
With snipe.

shmitty

Sure
Makes sense

Biggs

Actually, a smaller squadron compliment with Adar and Garm tokens could be fun.
Let your squadrons punch above their wieght class at a minimum.

shmitty

Yep with IF! To make everything a little punchier

Biggs

Hmm...
If I was going to abuse Talon...
Who would I want to double activate, and how?

shmitty

Ten, Curran, Dutch?

Biggs

Dutch / Ten / Corran are some of the better options.
Big damage and Rogue are going to be the winners here.
Dash?

shmitty

The Pelta can still push squads and trigger IF with help from Ashoka

Biggs

Dash / Dutch / Corran is 62 points.
True.
True.
Good thinking.
Ten is so damn slow, but hits like a half-brick in a sock.

shmitty

Right

Biggs

Pelta Command Ship (60) • Ahsoka Tano (2) • Intensify Firepower! (6) • Boosted Comms (4) = 72 Points Squadrons: • Dutch Vander (16) • Ten Numb (19) • Dash Rendar (24) = 59 Points Total Points: 131

shmitty

That’s fun

Biggs

Pelta Command Ship (60) • Ahsoka Tano (2) • Intensify Firepower! (6) • Boosted Comms (4) • Phoenix Home (3) • Adar Tallon (10) = 85 Points Squadrons: • Dutch Vander (16) • Ten Numb (19) • Dash Rendar (24) = 59 Points Total Points: 144
There we go.
Now... what gives us the balance?
What is that IF going to punch up?

shmitty

An MC30,
Salvation

Biggs

Scout or Torp?

shmitty

Either
AF w/ QBT and GT
Was toying around with AF, 30T, Salv, Pelta, Flot earlier
But it lacked something. So bugged you about it

Biggs

Name: Untitled Fleet Faction: Rebel Commander: Garm Bel Iblis Assault: Defense: Navigation: Pelta Command Ship (60) • Ahsoka Tano (2) • Intensify Firepower! (6) • Boosted Comms (4) • Phoenix Home (3) • Adar Tallon (10) = 85 Points MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63) • Garm Bel Iblis (25) • Lando Carissian (4) • Ordnance Experts (4) • Assault Proton Torpedoes (5) • Admonition (8) = 109 Points Nebulon-B Support Refit (51) • Quad Battery Turrets (5) • Salvation (7) = 63 Points Assault Frigate Mk2 B (72) • Gunnery Team (7) • Quad Battery Turrets (5) = 84 Points Squadrons: • Dutch Vander (16) • Ten Numb (19) • Dash Rendar (24) = 59 Points Total Points: 400
That is... ugly.
But effective?
Isn't going to be tabled easlily.

shmitty

I prefer DTT on Salvation

Biggs

True.
Want to get ECMs on the AFII somehow....

shmitty

Nah, it can fly defensively plenty well
And contribute at long range. It’s the lowest threat level

Biggs

Move Garm onto that?
With Lando?

shmitty

Yes

Biggs

Go keep the Landmonition?
Or keep

shmitty

Either way

Biggs

Okay, this list is looking sweet as hell.
Boosted Comms... necessary for Pelta or swap for DCaps?

shmitty

That it FCT to help Ten
Other option

Biggs

Pelta Command Ship (60) • Adar Tallon (10) • Fighter Coordination Team (3) • Intensify Firepower! (6) • Disposable Capacitors (3) = 82 Points MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63) • Lando Carissian (4) • Ordnance Experts (4) • Assault Proton Torpedoes (5) • Admonition (8) = 84 Points Nebulon-B Support Refit (51) • Ahsoka Tano (2) • Dual Turbolaser Turrets (5) • Salvation (7) = 65 Points Assault Frigate Mk2 B (72) • Garm Bel Iblis (25) • Gunnery Team (7) • Quad Battery Turrets (5) = 109 Points Squadrons: • Dutch Vander (16) • Ten Numb (19) • Dash Rendar (24) = 59 Points Total Points: 399
Found 3 points, taking off Phoenix Home.

shmitty

Rather than abusing Adar, what about a YWing Swarm?

Biggs

But... abusing Adar is the point of this brainstorm!

shmitty

Between the Pelta and the AF there’s plenty of squadron

Biggs

...at least it is for me.

shmitty

Lol

Biggs

But yeah, you can get 6 Y's in there.
And still have room for Toryn.

shmitty

I wanted to mix IF and squads in a Garm fleet
IF raises the floor on having lots of small dice attacks

Biggs

Pelta Command Ship (60) • Toryn Farr (7) • Intensify Firepower! (6) • Disposable Capacitors (3) = 76 Points MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63) • Lando Carissian (4) • Ordnance Experts (4) • Assault Proton Torpedoes (5) • Admonition (8) = 84 Points Nebulon-B Support Refit (51) • Ahsoka Tano (2) • Dual Turbolaser Turrets (5) • Salvation (7) = 65 Points Assault Frigate Mk2 B (72) • Garm Bel Iblis (25) • Gunnery Team (7) • Boosted Comms (4) • Quad Battery Turrets (5) = 113 Points Squadrons: • Gold Squadron (12) • 5 x Y-wing Squadron (50) = 62 Points Total Points: 400

shmitty

That’s beautiful

Biggs

It's... so ugly it could only be our baby.

shmitty

Lol
“We had an idea!”
I’d love a flotilla for the activation, but it ain’t happening
This is perfectly awful

Biggs

Not if you want all those beautiful Y's.

shmitty

Truthiness may well vomit when he sees it

Biggs

"Go on, waste your squadrons on 62 points of 36 hull.

shmitty

Right!

Biggs

Or if no squadrons, have 6 blacks to the face!

shmitty

I like it!

Biggs

Objectives?
"cause you're gonna be playing with them a lot.

shmitty

Yes

Biggs

... Advanced Gunnery?
How much do we want someone to counterpick the hell out of that.

shmitty

How fast can this kill Defiance?

Biggs

No. Opening Salvo.
Eat 7 Salvation Dice.

shmitty

Heh

Biggs

It's not good, but hey, a gimmick is a gimmick.

shmitty

I’d try advanced Gunnery against an MC80 once

Biggs

Well 6 once you ditch one to DTT.

shmitty

Precision Strike is probably the best choice

Biggs

That or Targeting Beacons.

shmitty

Admo harvests off of that

Biggs

True, true.
And we have a bunch of Bombers.
I like Targeting Beacons.

shmitty

I like it with Strategic
We don’t have that

Biggs

But yeah, I don't think there's someone out there with a better setup for Precision.
Too bad the tokens don't help us at all.
CF tokens I mean.

shmitty

Right
But it makes sense
SP is boring but really good here

Biggs

Even without strategic, you can set those tokens up with Targeting Beacons to hit a LOT of space.
Gonna put down PS for now, but TB is sitting in the wings.
Defensive:
Hyperspace Assault?

shmitty

Yes, but against Strategic they go away and you can’t fix it. Besides with IF the retolls are for fishing
Or CO to choose where the fight will be

Biggs

Fighter Ambush could be a HUGE liability.

shmitty

FA is bad here

Biggs

Fire Lanes are good, but suffer the same lack of strategic.
I kinda like HA for Salvation here.

shmitty

That’s funny

Biggs

Perfect ship to jump into to sniper a fork.
And put it at a bad angle for counter attacks.
Or Admo.

shmitty

Admo can’t last first much with 4 ships
But HA with Salv will catch fools by surprise

Biggs

Jump in Salvation - make something choose between moving forward into Admo range, or eating 4 Salvation dice.

shmitty

Nice

Biggs

... and then moving into Admo range.

shmitty

Heh

Biggs

Not sure if we bring any squadrons with it.
Probably not.

shmitty

nah

Biggs

But Boosted Comms AFII might be able to make that a sneaky move too.

shmitty

Okay, HA with Outpost as the backup

Biggs

Done.
Moving on to Nav.

shmitty

Superior Positions is solid, but boring

Biggs

Going to be playing a lot of this one I think.
Superior Positions also has the drawback of a true Squadron list outdoing us, much like FA.
And getting hits on the AFII, which wants to toiletbowl.

shmitty

Yeah, but this fleet will be able to force the enemy to expose their ass somewhere

Biggs

True.
I actually really like Dangerous Territory these days.
Being able to sit on rocks is good.

shmitty

True

Biggs

And it lets Pelta / Salv fly in tight formation.
And Admo hide on rocks during the approach / escape.
Plus free points if the opponent ignores it.
And free damage if they don't.

shmitty

Right
That’s good
Okay

Biggs

Definately gonna break this one out Wednesday.
... if I can find all my Y-Wings.

shmitty

Deployment
Remember how Salv works cutting across the AF?

Biggs

Yes.
Salv as the final drop.

shmitty

Turn to follow the AF and eat Salv to the face

Biggs

Or Admo as the final drop.
Admo could probably drop anywhere, to open up additional options.

shmitty

AF first and neutral
Then Ys

Biggs

Right, middle of the table.
Then Y's.

shmitty

Shade a Pelta

Biggs

Decide which way you're going with AF based on deployment (5 or 6 from opponent)
Drop Salvation that way, as the T.

shmitty

Yep
Pelta comes up slow inside the AFs turn

Biggs

"Follow the AF, or get that Pelta.
"

shmitty

Admo goes suicide slash

Biggs

Admo drops last, wherever you think it can do the most harm.
Probably just on the non-Salvation side of the AFII / Y's.

shmitty

Yep
You end up with a bunch of overlapping arcs
And Ys for flavor

Biggs

shmitty

Indeed

Biggs

Okay, one final question....
I am missing a Y-Wing from my final stand of 3.

shmitty

Maybe

Biggs

What squadron mini do I put on the stand to make "Gold Squadron"?
A Z-95 for comedy.
?

shmitty

Yes
Yes
And
Yes

Biggs

Okay, this is definately Wednesday Magic.
Let's GO.

<removed 20 minutes of toying with Z-95s for brevity>

Biggs

Yeah 6Ys is the best.
No to name this monstrosity.

shmitty

Garms late night love child

Biggs

Why, why, why, why, why, why?

shmitty

Or Admo and the 3 worst Rebel ships
Also good

Biggs

"Dancing with the Stars?" Because of all the C-Listers?

shmitty

Heh
“We had an idea!”

Biggs

Fred Durst Society of the Humanities and Arts

shmitty

Garm’s trying relive his glory days

Biggs

If you want a REAL deep reference dive.
Austinist
But what would our streets look like if they were maintained by the FDSHA? We could expect soul patches galore among the department’s workforce and a treatment facility for hot dog-flavored water.

shmitty

Awesome
Garm’s midlife crisis

Biggs

Garm's Garbage Collection

shmitty

Space Dad Gets His Groove Back

Biggs

"The Rolling Dumpster Fire".
Space Dad 3: "We're still making these?"

shmitty

Oh wait weren’t we up Garm 3 already
So Garm 4: The Dumpster Fire

Biggs

Yeah, I was looking up what Fast and the Furious 6 was... and apparently they can't even decide on what the name was.
The Rolling Dumpster Fire

shmitty

Done


I'd like to apologize for any damage done by this post.


5 comments:

  1. I can't leave you two alone for any amount of time, can I?

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  2. This reminds me - I'd be interested in reading more about deployment and "how to fly", ie, more of that stuff near the end before you get into naming. I know it highly depends on objective and fleets, but it would be really helpful if any of that stuff could be broken down!

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  3. Beautiful madness, definitely taking some of these concepts for some daft post-Regionals silliness.

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